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Rifled barrels
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:09 pm
by us sniper
I was wondering if this idea would work for making homemade barrels. I would cut grooves into a metal or wooden rod, then center it in a larger copper pipe. About 3/4 copper if I wanted a 1/4 barrel. After the smaller rod is centered I would use a backyard foundry to melt aluminum and pour it into the space between the two pipes. Would this workk? Also the casting of the barrel would take a few pour of aluminum because the foundry is not that big.
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:38 pm
by SpudFarm
that is just normal casting with an improvised mold.
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:09 pm
by STHORNE
sounds like it would work but very time consuming. But if you want to do it, GO 4 IT!
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:38 pm
by us sniper
Do you think that I would be able to twist the rod out after?
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:55 pm
by BC Pneumatics
The Al would contract as it cooled, which means the rod should get constricted, and locked in place. I don't know if would be impossible to get it out in once piece, but I am not sure I would rely on being able to use it for another barrel. If it is wood, you could always burn it out. (Then have to clean the barrel) You would also need accurate and consistent twists to be able to back the form out. It also means the Al barrel's OD will be smaller than the copper's ID once cooled. If you plan on leaving the Al in the Cu when you attach it to a launcher, you will likely need to secure it somehow to prevent it from sliding (or getting launched) out of the Cu outer barrel.
All in all, I do not think it is worth the trouble. Though it is a nice example of how as performance increases arithmetically, cost (whether measured in money or effort) increases geometrically.
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:30 pm
by STHORNE
BC Pneumatics wrote:The Al would contract as it cooled, which means the rod should get constricted, and locked in place.
Wait. If the aluminum contracted, that would leave the rod loose, and not too hard to get out....or did you just word it wrong?
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:46 pm
by BC Pneumatics
Yay, a chance to teach.
Instead of cylinder, lets think of a torus. (A donut shape) As it shrinks, our mind thinks of the diameter of the torus' cross section shrinking, and the inner hole getting larger. (This would be the wall of our hollow cylinder getting thinner.) What we do not think about is the (average) circumference of the torus. A circumference is just a line bent around into a circle. As the Al shrinks, this line contracts, getting shorter. Thus the circumference shrinks, and the inner hole is smaller, locking the rod in place.
What I failed to mention earlier, that is bound to be a more significant effect, is the shrinkage along the length of the barrel. This is going to lock the form up very tight.
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:57 am
by Tooo Easssyy
Yeah should work, give us a yell if it does i really wanna make a golf ball sniper
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:06 pm
by jimmy101
BC Pneumatics wrote:Yay, a chance to teach.
Instead of cylinder, lets think of a torus. (A donut shape) As it shrinks, our mind things of the diameter of the torus' cross section shrinking, and the inner hole getting larger. (This would be the wall of our hollow cylinder getting thinner.) What we do not think about is the (average) circumference of the torus. A circumference is just a line bent around into a circle. As the Al shrinks, this line contracts, getting shorter. Thus the circumference shrinks, and the inner hole is smaller, locking the rod in place.
What I failed to mention earlier, that is bound to be a more significant effect, is the shrinkage along the length of the barrel. This is going to lock the form of very tight.
Kind of a long explanation!
Short and sweet:
A hole in a piece of material expands/contracts with changes in temperature exactly as if the hole was filled.
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:16 pm
by BC Pneumatics
I have never thought of it in that way jimmy. You are right, it is much a shorter and simpler way of looking at things.