So for my science fair project I decided to test something relevant to my FAVORITE hobby, so I needed a piston valve cannon. Today I got all the pieces to build it and assembled a 2" barrel sealing T with about 2 feet of 1 inch pipe for a barrel ( first picture is of whole cannon). The piston (second picture), is a 1 1/4 inch end cap with a piece of rubber gasket that seals GREAT bolted to it, and has some duct tape to get a better fit in the T. On the back threaded cap, there is a presta valve and a blow gun. When pumped, the chamber fills, the barrel seals, but when the blow gun is triggered, the piston doesn't slide back. (inside of cannon is picture three) The air from the chamber leaks out, and the piston just remains sealed to the barrel.
Please Help?!
EDIT - looks like the pictures didnt upload - ill look into that
EDIT - photos are at the link; its pretty obvious which one is what.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/73379367@N05/
Piston valve not sliding back?!?
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Gun Freak
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You're putting a lot of faith in that blowgun to pilot such a bad piston. You need 1) a bigger pilot valve or 2) a more airtight piston (check valve, o-ring, etc).
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Things that you need:
1. use a 1 inch sprinkler valve to pilot the piston, or a 3/4 inch QEV
2. Make/use a better piston!!
Not trying to be mean, just trying to help out!!
1. use a 1 inch sprinkler valve to pilot the piston, or a 3/4 inch QEV
2. Make/use a better piston!!
Not trying to be mean, just trying to help out!!
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Isn't that what I just said...? Except you were being overly specific on your pilot valve suggestions... It's not like those are the only 2 things that will work...
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I didn't see your post..Gun Freak wrote:Isn't that what I just said...? Except you were being overly specific on your pilot valve suggestions... It's not like those are the only 2 things that will work...
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Ah ok my bad dude.
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It's okGun Freak wrote:Ah ok my bad dude.
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did you lube the piston???? Also I would get rid of that piece of hose. If that dont work, its not going to. You need a faster pilot like said in above posts. good luck!!!
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so today I took the blow gun out, and replaced it with a half inch ball valve. The cannon dumps about 80% of the air out of that, and the other 20 goes out a barrel. Its made to shoot paintballs at different pressures, barrel lengths etc.. and I built a chrono to record speed. i clocked the speed of the paintball in at a whopping 57.34 fps, not even enough to break it on a hard piece of pvc 
The piston is greased with a thick waterproof grease, and seals fairly well.
The piston is greased with a thick waterproof grease, and seals fairly well.
lklaussen wrote:so today I took the blow gun out, and replaced it with a half inch ball valve. The cannon dumps about 80% of the air out of that, and the other 20 goes out a barrel. Its made to shoot paintballs at different pressures, barrel lengths etc.. and I built a chrono to record speed. i clocked the speed of the paintball in at a whopping 57.34 fps, not even enough to break it on a hard piece of pvc
The piston is greased with a thick waterproof grease, and seals fairly well.
is it sealng 100 percent against the sealing face when you pressurize it?
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The piston is your problem then..
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As Gun Freak said, you can make a piston with an o-ring to solve this issue. You can use a piston without an o-ring with good results. I have one on a cannon im working on and it works great. But it has to be tight enough
When using a piston without an o-ring it should fit fairly tight. with it inside the housing hold the housing so that the face of the piston is facing the ground. If the piston falls, its too loose.
The piston should only move when you apply pressure. You want it to move with little resistance if you push on it with your finger in the same scenario as above.
You want it loose enough for the air to move around it while filling, but tight enough so that when piloted the air is more likely to exit the barrel.
When using a piston without an o-ring it should fit fairly tight. with it inside the housing hold the housing so that the face of the piston is facing the ground. If the piston falls, its too loose.
The piston should only move when you apply pressure. You want it to move with little resistance if you push on it with your finger in the same scenario as above.
You want it loose enough for the air to move around it while filling, but tight enough so that when piloted the air is more likely to exit the barrel.
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If you don't do an o ring, valve stem packing and grease may work. Anything to reduce the amount of air that can get past the psiton when you open the pilot is what is needed. Even a layer of felt glued on and soaked in grease works.