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Idea for 9V Battery Ignition System
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:30 am
by appleorchard
I saw a vid last week that showed how a 9v battery could ignite steel wool.
Got me to think that such a combo would be a reliable way to fire off my cannon.
I'm thinking of mounting the battery to the cannon, and running a couple of wires into the removable cap (chamber access point). At the ends of the wires would be alligator clips, with a bit of steel wool connecting in between.
I would then run the wires to a remote, push-button switch that would close the circuit and ignite the wool.
Steel wool is pretty cheap, and I think it would be a lot more reliable than a spark gap (which seems to fail more often than it works). Plus, the wires could be of such a length to put the steel wool out into the middle of the combustion chamber.
Has anyone done something like this? Any thoughts?
appleorchard
fond du lac, wisconsin
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:52 am
by Spuddin
sounds like something worth trying, i have never been able to igninte steel wool with a 9v but maybe i was doing something wrong. let us know how it works out dude.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:31 am
by appleorchard
Check out this vid...I think this looks promising!
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:43 am
by Counterstriker
Yes, It works I just tried it its pretty cool.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:04 am
by Orpackrat
Spread the steel wool apart so it is not compressed and air get get tot the center an it will throw sparks
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:50 am
by A-98
well, it might be really inefficient it use an whole clump. what i would do is take a few strands(4 maybe), bunch/coil em up or leave em as wires. this way you wont have the molten metal burning at your chamber, and you use alot less.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:59 am
by jimmy101
This has been tried several times. My understanding is that it is (1) hard to get the steel hot enough to ignite the fuel and (2) a PITA to change the steel wool for every shot.
Couple of links;
http://www.spudfiles.com/spudtech_archi ... steel,wool
http://www.spudfiles.com/spudtech_archi ... steel+wool
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:48 pm
by appleorchard
Yeah, just a handful of strands is what I was thinking...I have to imagine those would burn just hot enough to cause ignition.
I'll be messing with it this weekend...I'll report my results.
(Although that second link above is making me wonder...)
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:06 pm
by lukemc
i think an even cooler idea would be use a modifid cap gun
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:55 pm
by singularity
i have a friend who tried it, modified a clean out to accept two small electrical clips which were connected to a momentary switch and a 9v battery. it made the iron wool burn but it didn't work at all. each time he put in about a fist sized clump of iron wool and nothing. your better off with a grill or butane torch igniter
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:27 am
by appleorchard
Maybe a bigger battery? Or several 9v bats in series? Give it more of a spark?
I messed with model rocket engine ignitors at one point, but they're not the cheapest.
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:32 am
by veginator
you could have a fan to help get air to it because steel wool needs oxygen to burn.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:39 pm
by Counterstriker
Ok this is how your do it. You have 2 alligator clips which is ran by the 9 volt, you get 1 strand of steel wool and put a the alligater clips on each side. run the current through and it burns safe!
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:53 pm
by Pete Zaria
I used this exact ignition method on an aerosol combustion a LONG time ago (my first gun, I think. I was about 14, lol).
It didn't work very well. Even when the fuel/air mixture seemed right, it only ignited one out of every three or so tries.
A cheap BBQ sparker or even a flint lantern lighter is a better bet than steel wool and a battery.
If you need something you can use remotely, try making a camera flash circuit with 50ft of wire for the low-voltage relay that fires it....
Peace,
Pete Zaria.
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:07 pm
by hoastmaster
how about a car spark plug??
ever thought of using one of them
i've never had a go at using one in fact i'm in the middle of designing my first cannon so mabye i should open a topic just for my spark plug theory?